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ryg0r
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 Posted - 2002/10/15 : 17:38:00
We all know that Happy Hardcore is harder than most dance music (about 140).
But what is perfect speed? I personally produce at 189bpm (for purely mathematical purposes!!) But what about say 175 (+8% = 189!!)
Needless to say that ravers down here in Oz tend to like they're stuff harder than most, at least most CD's that I've "aquired" from ravers tend to be more on the gabber side of things.
I guess, what speed will I get my stuff released at? And what labels are willing to release my stuff?
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silver
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Posted - 2002/10/16 : 03:15:12
160-175 BPM
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strychnine
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Posted - 2002/10/16 : 06:59:33
yeah anywhere from 160-180
and ryg0r where are you getting your cd's from? most of the promo mixes by messrs fenix, marcos, weaver, suae and matrix that are handed out (eg SOM, Rave Themes) are mainly hhc/freeform/old-skool, and for the most part at raves this is played *faster* than gabber (180-odd vs 140-170). i have a c-trix gabber cd that plays at about 140, and when you don't have subs in your car it sound more like hard trance than anything else :P
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StrifeII
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Posted - 2002/10/16 : 11:05:56
we need more speed, like 180. but not too fast or it sounds messy :)
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strychnine
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Posted - 2002/10/16 : 17:29:43
i think you should produce at 180 max ... going faster should be left to discretion of the dj
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Xenochrome
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Posted - 2002/10/16 : 17:34:40
should produce at about 175 bpm...that way it can be played by fast and slower DJ's
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2002/10/16 : 23:40:16
Ok the votes are in and have been tallied.
175 bpm it is!!!
-6% = 161 bpm and +8% = 189 bpm
I can put it on my album at 189 bpm (@ + 8%), but djs get it at the perfect tempo. Now, the painful task of remixing my old stuff.
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and ryg0r where are you getting your cd's from?
From friends who are ravers, unlike myself. They're into thunderdome, and a wacked cd called "Braindead 2000".
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i have a c-trix gabber cd that plays at about 140[/quote]
Are you sure that isn't gabber-house? When I think gabber, I think Thunderdome.
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strychnine
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Posted - 2002/10/17 : 04:46:04
there's subgenres of gabber as well, dude - i don't think and one of those subgenres is able to rightly claim the 'gabber' tag ... but i don't really wanna get into this :P (i generally use the wider term 'gabber' instead of the specific names)
my point was that i don't think that gabber (as a whole) has overtaken what i think of as 'faster' hardcore (hhc/happy gabber/freeform) in terms of popularity in the rave scene. gabber is still far from getting a main arena spot at the massives, and the number of primarily fast-core (hey i've just invented a new genre! call me 'mixmag' from now on :P) parties outnumber the pure gabber parties, not to mention crowds.
sure gabber's gotten more popular lately but it hasn't come *that* far.
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Weasel
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Posted - 2002/10/17 : 05:20:14
i produce my tracks at 170
 I don’t mean to be rude, it just come naturally
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Woxxy
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Posted - 2002/10/17 : 07:43:23
I produce at 170 in most cases, when i do happycore, since it's standard
harder tracks are usually up to 185-190 (eg: eternal flame, party animals - used & abused)
but they tend to have a really pounding bass...
anything lower than 170BPM is too slow to dance to...
so my advice is between 170-180BPM
and why do you use 189BPM? mathematical terms? wtf? i need some more explanation on that one!
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2002/10/17 : 15:35:21
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and why do you use 189BPM? mathematical terms?
Ok!!
33 1/3rpm, 140 bpm - push it to 45rpm and presto 189bpm!!
My working: (45) divided by (33 1/3) = 1.35
140 * 1.35 = 189!!
To get convert beats into time: 189 divided by 60 = 3.15 (nice number and anangram of 1.35)
When working samples (as counter and at a rate of 44100) and at 189 bpm:
One beat (or quarter note, or crochet) is 14000 samples, and one bar is 56000 samples. Nice easy numbers as to memorise - if you just happen to be working in samples.
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