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Pope C XXIII Advanced Member
United States
1,935 posts Joined: Oct, 2006
Posted - 2007/06/21 : 20:04:01
Seriously. After spending a lot of time not bothering to listen to it, I checked out a bunch of DJ Cliffrave's sets, and I was blown away by how much makina sucks. At several points, I shouted out, "THIS SHIT IS GETTING SIGNED AND I'M NOT! WHAT THE ****?" I mean, usually I'm a person who's rather open to other styles of music, and even when I don't dig something, I'm likely to brush it off as a difference of taste. For example, I don't really enjoy grime, but if you're into it, some of it's great. But makina is just plain terrible. It seems like an entire nation is trapped in the dark ages of the circus era, only with even cheesier melodies and obnoxious sounds (and yeah, I know the kazoo sound is an unfair generalisation based off of a few really crappy makina producers, but a lot of those synths are really obnoxious.) Some of the darker, sped up hardstyle stuff is tolerable, but it always seems to go back to those huge cheesey anthems.
If you can prove me wrong, you will win 8 free internets.
Dave Tee Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,109 posts Joined: Aug, 2004
Posted - 2007/06/21 : 20:44:32
I'm dissapointed in you Pope, surely not another 'makina is shit' thread.... I get tired of sticking up my Spanish amigoes but here I go again lol
Firstly, the circus type music you're on about is shit, I'm not denying that, but for some reason people seem to think that's all there is to makina, the new stuff (and even the majority of the 90's stuff) was nothing like that. As I have said on ush, defing makina by those kazoo tunes is like defining UK hardcore by Vinylgroover's Big Bang or Mixmatt's Hold On To Your Heart, which I'm sure are equally as cringeworthy as the spanish shite.
There is a lot of shit makina tunes released but thats the same with any genre, 90% of releases are shit, the only difference is that the spanish scene is strictly vinyl so while shite songs over here are confined to imodownload (or tune of the year at those gay hardcore awards ), the shit spanish tunes are pressed up and given a full vinyl release anyway.
Anyway, enough chit-chat, here is my evidence in the defence:
DJ Sepi on 3 decks playing Makina, bases and 45'd hardstyle. The mixing is amazing and if you tell me that any UK hardcore Dj has played a set as interesting as that in the last 5 years..... well, I just won't believe you
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whittle1 Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,191 posts Joined: Jan, 2005
25 hardcore releases
Posted - 2007/06/22 : 02:39:55
quote:Originally posted by warped_candykid:
I havent really heard a lot of Makina besdies that sbthq website, but I love the cheesey stuff, and the loud noises
I haven't heard much makina either
Anyone got any links or anythin'?
Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2007/06/22 : 03:28:28
i once found a site that linked a few javi tracker sessions but have since lost it. i think its somewhere on the forums. Iv found that i really dont like most of the bouncy cheesy stuff even with harstyle basses, but some of the newskool mixes, if you dont judge it by each individual track itself, but rather the total sound, are really good. particularly the last half of session 20 is very hard and i like. also in one of javi trackers mixes think it was session 4 he did definition of a bad boy which sounded insane with hardstyle overlapping it. soo good.
i really like the use of the sped up eurodance tunes, think it sounds really good
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Lilley Advanced Member
Australia
3,740 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2007/06/22 : 04:19:08
quote:Originally posted by Lilley:
i once found a site that linked a few javi tracker sessions but have since lost it. i think its somewhere on the forums. Iv found that i really dont like most of the bouncy cheesy stuff even with harstyle basses, but some of the newskool mixes, if you dont judge it by each individual track itself, but rather the total sound, are really good. particularly the last half of session 20 is very hard and i like. also in one of javi trackers mixes think it was session 4 he did definition of a bad boy which sounded insane with hardstyle overlapping it. soo good. also rekon some of the old skool dutch sounds would go down pretty well in makina sets.
i really like the use of the sped up eurodance tunes, think it sounds really good
zelachang Senior Member
United States
466 posts Joined: Nov, 2004
54 hardcore releases
Posted - 2007/06/22 : 04:35:00
Don't write off makina because you heard a terrible mix.
I dare you to listen to DJ Nexone's chronicle del makinero mix and say that makina is all crap.
warped_candykid Advanced Member
United States
3,962 posts Joined: Jan, 2004
Posted - 2007/06/22 : 04:49:26
Javi Tracker had a full mixture of the cheesey stuff to the more darker stuff. I loved his sets because it was mainly non-stop noise over the female vocals!
Pope C XXIII Advanced Member
United States
1,935 posts Joined: Oct, 2006
Posted - 2007/06/22 : 05:09:24
quote:Originally posted by zelachang:
Don't write off makina because you heard a terrible mix.
I dare you to listen to DJ Nexone's chronicle del makinero mix and say that makina is all crap.
Well, it's not just one terrible mix. At first I thought that there was just one bad mix, but I looked at a decent cross section of all of the mixes on Cliffrave's website and they all sounded just like the first one. I'll check that mix out though.
jimbob squarepants Senior Member
United Kingdom
476 posts Joined: Sep, 2005
246 hardcore releases
Posted - 2007/06/22 : 21:05:01
one of my best mates buys it.
to mix it,is cool coz its so hectic
but there are some really cool tunes in there i must say.
its not all shit!!
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