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mr bishi
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 Posted - 2003/01/26 : 15:02:35
Dis is from the interview wit UFO n i totally agree wit him quote:
Q: What's your views and thoughts on the current MP3 problem and that
downloads kill hardcore?
A: I don't think there is any point moaning about it because, after all, you will never be able to do anything about it. In my experience MP3 files have actually helped our music. Its like a free advert for your releases. Most people i have come across download an MP3 of something then go out and buy the vinyl when its released. So I don't really think MP3's do us much harm at all.
4 me mates n i mp3 is the only way we can get our hands on hardcore (bar the bonkers series) n if there was any way we could supprt the scene other than this we would but since we r all broke n dont have credit cards i think dat mp3s r keepin us rockin till peeps cop on n get get somewhere 4 us 2 roc it
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DJ Mouse
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Posted - 2003/01/26 : 16:31:31
imagine if you made a wicked tune,as big as shooting star,and you discovered a load of ppl downloading it coz they can't afford to buy it,you'd be pretty annoyed wouldn't ya? well i know i would be anyway. to answer your question yes its killing hardcore but the end of 2 very popluar p2p's has helped a bit. remember hardcore's only a small scene compared to something like commercial trance which is selling shitloads of units,a few downloads aren't gonna do a thing,but with us being so small in the music world it does make a difference.
this is how i see it,if i download its simply for try before you buy,and even then its never hardcore. freeloaders don't kill the scene,its the record companys ripping us off that does (and i'm not on about the small hardcore labels but the big giants like EMI etc). i mean cd's are sold for like £15 and they cost a penny to make!! says it all
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Skyler
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Posted - 2003/01/26 : 16:54:43
I think mp3's have made hardcore become available to a wider audience, but the scene really does need the sales. I buy all the tracks I want on vinyl and ignore the rest, I only use mp3s for genre exploration - to find new things I never would of bought to see if I like them. I am very worried about CD Decks/Final Scratch atm, with the mp3 scene they could really hurt vinyl sales. All you need is a CD Deck and you can download all the rare hardcore gems and new tunes you want, burn them to CD and you have no need for the vinyl. All you can do is continue to support the scene by buying vinyl I guess.. thats what I will continue to do, as long as its produced I'll buy it.
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milo
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Posted - 2003/01/26 : 18:49:01
a 5-8 dollar increase in cd prices is what is killing the labels, not mp3s
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strychnine
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Posted - 2003/01/26 : 23:02:15
All the anti-mp3 arguments go towards justitfying more releases of HHC on other more accessible media, like CD - I mean, I like messing around with vinyl as much as the next guy, but many if not most people out there aren't willing to invest that much money into what is essentially a DJ's medium. Only a fraction of tracks ever produced will make it onto a licensed CD, so apart from raves and vinyl, how would you go about listening to them? CD singles would fill this (very wide) gap very nicely.
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kg4
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Posted - 2003/01/27 : 03:09:53
^^ they would be awfully cheap too
but i also believe that if there were tons of cd singles... less vinyl would be bought because of the new cdjs
Oh man, I hope I didn't brain my damage...
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silver
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Posted - 2003/01/27 : 03:46:37
Because you dont have any money to buy hardcore is no excuse to steal it?
So lets say you have a job, you buy a car or stereo... Can I steal your car and say "hey I cant afford a car and I HAVE to get to work", or "I want to listen to music but I can't afford a stereo, so I will steal yours"...
You wouldn't like it because you spent the money your worked HARD for on those...
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dj_stey_iz_ere
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Posted - 2003/01/27 : 06:58:16
ther ment 2 b shutin down all the programms u download off like kazaa/imesh/groksteretc becuz film/music makers are going mad cuz ther lossin out on money wen ppl just download thm dnt cost fu*k all
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DJ Mouse
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Posted - 2003/01/27 : 07:07:05
i don't know why ppl bother making p2p programs coz they're all gonna get shut down and sued for millions which they'll never make.
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strychnine
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Posted - 2003/01/27 : 08:09:22
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mouse:
i don't know why ppl bother making p2p programs coz they're all gonna get shut down and sued for millions which they'll never make.
You really should know better than that. Where there is a willingness to trade, the trade will find a way. Always. All the law does is make it evolve and streamline itself, make itself more efficient. Halting piracy requires stopping it at the user level, and that means convincing people to pay for something that they can currently get for nothing. Seems easy, doesn't it?
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Originally posted by silver:
So lets say you have a job, you buy a car or stereo... Can I steal your car and say "hey I cant afford a car and I HAVE to get to work", or "I want to listen to music but I can't afford a stereo, so I will steal yours"...
One flaw with this argument is that if someone steals my car, I can no longer get enjoyment from it. On the other hand, if I rip a CD onto mp3 and share it on p2p with 1,000,000 other people, I still have the original to enjoy (and make more copies of if I so desire). The morality of it is different because the person who bought the product doesn't feel like the victim, so why should the person who "steals" it feel guilty?
I'm not about to say you're wrong here, silver (because I know you're partially right) but morality is not going to have much success at stopping music piracy anyway. Cars are stolen every day. Stereos are stolen every day. MP3's are transferred illegally every day. Much as I respect the stance you've taken with this site (as others have done with other music websites), it would be foolish to think that it's gonna have any great effect on the mp3 trade.
Now back to my earlier point:
The vinyl record and its associated playing devices represent a medium for music playback that is dated and inferior for that purpose (it's a different story for manipulating that music, but we're just talking about playback here), especially when compared to CD. A record only carries a couple of tracks, is relatively largeand heavy, easily damaged, and expensive, and can only be played on a device that is either expensive, or substantially lacking in features, and is either way cumbersome in playing the music back - no easy track selection, no easy searching/scanning a track etc, low volume, etc.
For the hardcore fan, however, the only (legal) options are to buy into this anachronistic medium, find a radio station that plays hardcore, or go to a rave where hardcore is played. Clearly, the first option is much too expensive for most people (who don't want to be DJ's), while the other two aren't all that flexible or portable. You could buy a licensed mix CD, of course, but only a fraction of ever made are ever released on these, so you're range of music will be severly limited, and even then you're not getting the entirety of the track as it was produced originally.
This post is getting long now (and I'm getting sleepy) so I'll get to the point: at present the choice is between spending $20 on a record, or downloading an mp3 that you can then play on your mp3 player, or burn onto CD and play on one of the 6 hi-fi CD players in your house, or the one in your car, or the one that you can take on the train with you, or store in the little plastic case with the other 50 that you made this week ... it's one hell of a gap. So long as there's no legal medium to fill the gap, then it will be filled by mp3's. IMO it's really something the scene/industry has to do something about before it starts pointing fingers.
Just my $0.02 worth.
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atomicb
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Posted - 2003/01/27 : 08:50:31
wow... you know what thats 100% right!
Maybe all the lables could do what quosh does - offer custom cd's with all the tracks you want on it? Hmmm.. Maybe I should think about making a service that offers this . . . (I take money, make custom cd's, past on all the profit to origonal artists) (and I mean legally, not just random dodgy dealing!)
But.. well I won't lie - napster is the reason I have spent 250 pounds on hardcore records last year, and 100 pounds on hardcore cd's - if that didn't help the scene I don't know will XD
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whispering
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Posted - 2003/01/27 : 10:28:12
"offer custom cd's with all the tracks you want on it? Hmmm.. Maybe I should think about making a service that offers this . . ."
We had something like that in finland, you choose from about 100-200 songs,
the 15 you want on your cd, and they make the cd and post it to you...
only problem was that there was only radio-pop-music... coz try to get permission from about 200 labels... we still have copyright,
the only way it would work is that the labels would unite... and make one big service, and that is not going to happen...
"i don't know why ppl bother making p2p programs coz they're all gonna get shut down and sued for millions which they'll never make."
4 example kazaa works from a country wheres no internet laws, that way you
cant sue them, coz they r not braking the law...
Kazaa has been downloaded 30,000,000 times... so theres
alot of the users, now imagine what they get from the sponsors...
IMO the only way to stop them, is to make something better...
i think DVD albums would be cool, with all extras and stuff like that...
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mr bishi
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Posted - 2003/01/27 : 18:08:58
sliver i no where you are coming from.
The thing is that i live in the arsehole of nowhere in the rep of ireland and the only clubs around me play nothing but bryan adams.The closest thing to dance music that ever gets aired is lasgo or ian van dahl.
I would luv 2 contribute 2 the hardcore scene but i can't due to the fact that hardcore is not available from any record shop i have ever been in.The only way i can hear it is from sites like sonicfury and p2p like kazaa.
Its the only way i can listen 2 the music i luv.
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whispering
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Posted - 2003/01/27 : 20:45:21
quote:
hardcore is not available from any record shop i have ever been in.
Have you tryed to order from online store's?
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silver
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Posted - 2003/01/27 : 21:27:45
If hardcore is not in the shops around your area I recommend you goto the shop and order it from them, do a custom order, that way they will perhaps stock hardcore in the future.
About the car stealing thing I wrote before, I was ment to compair the loss of money from working hard to earn a something to piracy of artists work.
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virus
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Posted - 2003/01/28 : 02:51:29
alot of big cities wont even have much of a selection of hardcore.. i've given up on taking trips into town to buy new records/cds.. 95% of my music is bought online, which anyone can do.
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