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CandyAss
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 Posted - 2003/05/01 : 16:07:18
I love PacMan's sig, I think it's clever.
For the record I don't use drugs (often  ), but I think legalizing all of them and then educating people about the real effects these substances have on their minds, bodies, and lives would significantly reduce the demand and thus, the consumption. Just don't make a big deal about it and people will probably not use them as much. There will always be people who will do drugs regardless, but throwing those people in jail isn't helping them or society in the least bit. I know positive reform such as this is more likely in other countries then in the United States...this country is basically on a downward spiral to destruction when it comes to drug policy. 600,000 a year arrested for possession of pot? Sorry, but going to jail hurts someone a fook of a lot more then smoking a joint.
Look at it this way. Cutting your own finger off is completely legal in this country. Do people do it? No. Drugs, something that hurts you significantly less, are illegal and require jailtime. Does this stop people from doing them? No. All I'm saying is it's worth a try to have some common sense and actually work with the problem from a scholarly, scientific stance instead of just throwing people in prison for engaging in harmful recreations.
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 Posted - 2003/05/01 : 16:14:34
yet another topic about drugs!
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2003/05/01 : 16:17:01
Your, um finger analogy is pretty...interesting. But it works, in a way.
I think education is a, possible THE key, but those don't want to listen, will never listen.
I don't think jail for possesion is a good idea - doesn't help the problem at all.
People never think "I should stop this", but rather "I'll try not to get caught next time"
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Posted - 2003/05/01 : 19:29:26
candy ass and pacman have it spot on methinks tolorence and education!!!! .. takes a drug enlightend person to reach such pure thoughts!!
wooooo!
why dose the law try to stop free will.
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2003/05/01 : 20:34:32
Um....Free will?? What if I, using my free will, kill some-one?? Dude, the law wasn't meant to suppress, it was meant to liberate. To liberate from anarchy and to provide justice.
Not to say that our systems actually do that, but thats is what it should do.
I don't think you need drugs to reach pure thought. Your thoughts get all jumbled. Look at buddist monks - they don't take anything, they claim to reach enlightenment.
I don't think the legalisation of drugs can help. Lets look at alcohol. Thats been legal from who knows when, but countless lives get negatively affected from the use of alcohol. Broken homes, bums on the street, etc, etc...
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strychnine
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Posted - 2003/05/01 : 23:00:32
Just to weigh into the debate with my $0.02 worth ...
The drugs debate has two extremes, (1) that trade and consumption of non-medicinal drugs is an evil and must be stopped at all cost, or (2) that drugs represent means to further the mental and physical capabilities of mankind and that their (appropriate) use should be encouraged.
It is my view that in an enlightened world, the status of all drugs will fall into an equilibrium somewhere in-between and be considered neither good nor evil, but a commodity, pure and simple. Again (like others have said) education and information will play a major role in influencing whether the demand exists (because law will no longer be an issue), but here I'm talking about pure information, not the skewed propaganda like the shit that most people nowadays base their decision on.
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2003/05/01 : 23:41:01
 thats a mad sig.
I don't understand if people want enlightenment, why don't they meditate like the buddists? They are pretty 1337 people.
The thing is that this pure information will never exist. Humans always have, and always will be biased.
Also, through "not-so-pure" information, there have been research saying the prolonged use of XYZ does <insert negative effect> to the <insert organ>.
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strychnine
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Posted - 2003/05/01 : 23:57:46
(1) I'm not saying that drugs do/do not bring enlightenment ... but anyone who's claimed to attain enlightenment through the consumption of mind-altering substances has probably done so without going through all the sacrifice and extended meditation that Buddhist monks subject themselves to.
(2) True, pure information doesn't exist, but most people don't even get to the point of considering "there have been research saying the prolonged use of XYZ does <insert negative effect> to the <insert organ>"-type arguments. The vast majority don't go beyond the "drugs are bad for you unless we, your government, tell you otherwise"-type information propaganda that the government of the day feeds them and swears is gospel.
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Posted - 2003/05/02 : 00:14:37
An excellent point.....Two points!
No doubt this is forum to express opinions.
I reckon, as soon as you put humans into any equazion, it will go haywire. Look at communism, (here we go again!!) People will always abuse. Thats human nature. I don't think humans will ever reach enlightenment. We are humans, and humans are flawed.
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whispering
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Posted - 2003/05/02 : 00:37:41
Didnt Portugal legalize all the drugs in 2001? i think using was legal but selling was illegal... dont know how it worked there...
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Stevie c
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Posted - 2003/05/02 : 05:33:20
rygor, you are concerned with other people's future health, whilst that is a noble and very brotherly thing, surely the person has to care or why should anyone else?
'Personal Liberty' is the freedom to not affect anyone else or at least minimize any harm. Your rights end at the point of my nose. I can listen to opinions but they are like bums, everyone has one.
Now I agree with a lot of what has been said on both sides, however you will never get rid of demand whilst boredom exsists. Peole + boredom + money =escapism, Now I have nothing againest escapism, i quite like it but should you harm someone else then the drugs influence means you should be punished doubley as bad, all sentences proven should have a x2 effect. And I like some drugs!!!
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tommo
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Posted - 2003/05/02 : 07:36:25
I don't have a problem with people taking drugs at all,the decision is up to
them as long as they know the effects on their mind and health.I disagree
with people pushing drugs on others.Anyone should no that is just wrong...
As for legalising drugs I think that would be a better idea by far,then the
comsumption,purity amount sold...etc can be controlled.Drugs will never
be eliminated thats certain,so the least they can do is help to make some
drugs safer.
Just my opinion anyway,don't know if anyone else agrees or what but...eh.
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junglist_angel
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 Posted - 2003/05/02 : 09:37:53
Why is all the attention always fixed around drugs???? Drinking is just as bad for you and ruins people's lives just as much, if not more in certain circumstances. In our country, drugs are tolerated and nextdoor they are legal, so it's not so much a big deal. If you're gonna be mister anti-drugs, go ahead and add drinking, caffeine, and cigarettes. It's all the same really...
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tommo
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 Posted - 2003/05/02 : 09:43:13
Yeah another interesting fact:
Alcohol kill over 30,000 people per year
Drugs kill under 1000 a year
People are so silly I think,it doesn't take the government much to look at the
figures and decide which is the biggest killer.
I'm just nucking futs!
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Stevie c
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 Posted - 2003/05/02 : 10:23:04
I agree with you angel, part of my problem is I like sugar,alchol,fags and caffine all to much and they play a lot larger role on my general health, even if you dont admit it.They all usually affect one of us in some way. In relation to legalisation,I prefer it to decriminalisation as once legal it is taken out of the hands of dealers and can be taxed, sorry folks but weed could do a lot for our health system, just like fags do. I believe naturals should be legalized but am not in favor of all Class A narcotics. I think Heroin,Smack, Crack are all dirt, They were created to cause damage and addiction followed by death. Yet I do not object to Opium should it be you bubble. Its not mine, but at least it is a natural plant. I do think every person is born with a free will and it is up to them how they treat their body. education is vital but it still wont stop people, demand will always exisit until we live in a happy hardcore paradise and nowone will need them, this is a dream a very long way away but its what I am fighting for. To feel like its christmas day without any help is what i want and no drug has ever done that. Happy hardcore has.
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