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tommo
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 Posted - 2003/05/02 : 10:49:08
*sobs*
That was beautiful,just beautiful... 
I'm just nucking futs! 
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Weird Fish
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 Posted - 2003/05/02 : 11:58:20
Drugs are the nr1 killer in the world, you just dont see it cause everybody just rots away in an abandoned house or is burried somewhere. It hurts families and takes away their joy of life, etc. That is sad.
I still dont get why ppl knowing that drugs harms themselves use it anyway.
And that ppl have made/ create great things cause of harddrugs, is ********...and enlightment through drugs, pls...It is the altmost failure someone can do, this person could have acomplish whatever without drugs, why the easy way and why the harmfull way. why can't it be the hard way and the healthy way. The brain can do such great things, using drugs just limits it. At the end you can be proud you did it on your own.
If you love yourself, why do you want to harm yourself.
Sorry, but I dont agree with legalizing naturals. They are still harmfull, some plants are poisonous, you dont take in these plants.
A lot of things are harmfull to the body, even oxigen is harmfull to the body yet essential. Its true some ppl can handle the drugs and some cant. It is not my place to tell anyone wether he/ she should not use drugs and such person doesn't exist either. If you use it or not, I'll respect you the same, I'm that kind of person. I will not tell you constantly about not using it, that'd be really annoying, and if you know I dont approve of it, I still expect the same respect from you not to use it in front of me.
You are already sufficiently mature to know what you wanna do with yourself, you have the info about what the + and - of drugs are, its up to you the decision you make about it.
I made the decision not to use drugs, to me its the best decision. If you made the decision to use drugs, to you its the best decision, whatever the reason. I have friends and family that use drugs, even though I dont approve, we are the best friends.
I have family that died cause of overdose, a girlfriend that tried to kill herself 5 times, a cousin that went psychotic, etc. Sorry, I can never picture drugs as a good enlightment thing. Can you blame?
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2003/05/03 : 21:34:33
There are heaps of good points for either side, hey.
I don't want to have to defend myself, but I guess "my solution", is only a....philosphical (?) one.
To kill the demand, is to nip the problem at the roots, not just cutting the branches of the plant.
Not only that (>>angel), but I focus on drugs because it relates alot to the rave scene.
But yes, alcohol is more of a problem. I think one aspect is because of the low cost and ease of purchase.
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junglist_angel
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Posted - 2003/05/04 : 02:08:20
quote:
Originally posted by ryg0r:
There are heaps of good points for either side, hey.
I don't want to have to defend myself, but I guess "my solution", is only a....philosphical (?) one.
To kill the demand, is to nip the problem at the roots, not just cutting the branches of the plant.
Not only that (>>angel), but I focus on drugs because it relates alot to the rave scene.
But yes, alcohol is more of a problem. I think one aspect is because of the low cost and ease of purchase.
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Drugs are not only a problem within the rave scene. They are a problem pretty much anywhere. It's just that the media has focussed on raves so much and placed so much pressure on the fact that people were using drugs, that one is made to believe that they only exist there. (some parents do believe this) Take smack (heroine) for an example... how often do you see that at a rave??? But it's a big problem elsewhere. So don't buy all that the media feeds you 
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2003/05/04 : 04:26:33
yeah. not that I listen much to the media.
Alcohol is a nasty problem - but we can have that on a different thread
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pacman
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Posted - 2003/05/04 : 20:27:09
!!! i didn't realise this would be so big i haven't checked it and i should have!
drugs are a major part of a large amount of communities, rave or otherwise. when drugs are discussed, the dangers and problems associated with drugs such as alcohol and tobacco are quite often forgotten. "drugs" within 'the rave scene' usually refers mainly to methamphetamines. anyone could tell you this. it is up to the user, the person using the drugs to educate themselves. i would never put a substance into my body without knowing, to the best ability of the resources and knowledge that i have, its contents and effects. it's common sense. here's an analogy for all you people:
when you drink alcohol, you pick up a case of beer, bottle of wine, whatever. occasionally a drinker will overindulge, which may or may not be dangerous to the health and safety of the drinker and other people. if you plan on drinking, you don't pick up some bottle someone gives you telling you it's alcohol. why? because you don't know its contents or effects. similarly, you won't pick up a bottle of metho and drink that, because you know your bodycan't handle it (and if you didn't, you do now). so if i'm taking chemicals, i will NOT take more than i can handle, and i WILL educate myself as to what is in the particular chemical substance i am consuming.
many people overindulge. many people ignore warnings. many people have no idea whatsoever of the consequences of their drug use (be it anything from caffeine to alcohol, marijuana, pharmaceuticals or synthetic drugs). these people are, in my opinion stupid. the people who cause themselves harm in this way are comparable to those who get in a car without a licence and decide to treat the road as a race-track.
r@ving-loonatic: i don't know how you feel, and can't say i understand or identify with the pain, emotion and anguish that you must go through when considering the use of illegal substances. also, i don't blame you for these feelings. but you have to understand that use of these drugs is like anything you do in life, you must READ THE INSTRUCTION MANUAL. you don't get behind the wheel of a car if you don't know how to drive. if you DO get behind the wheel, you are taking a risk and responsibility for your own life, and could fatally impact that of others.
continuing the driving analogy, if i am driving on the roads, i know what is a safe speed for me to be driving, i know when i am in control, i know the rules, i know basically what i can and can't do confidently. abiding by all these things, there is still a chance something could happen to me. it's the same with drugs use of any kind. there are always bad experiences. don't eliminate an entire area for the small amount of problems it produces. the higher the level of education in that area (also the more we know about driving), the lower the level of problems (the less likelihood of road deaths & accidents).
ryg0r: while i appreciate your concern for my health, i am the sole being responsible for my health and i take my own future well-being very seriously. upon my indulging in the use of any substances, i absolutely concern myself with the effects they have on me both physically and mentally. my decision to still use these substances is very conscious. your decision not to use them seems to be based more on assumption and opinions, which is perfectly acceptable, but does not put you in a position to understand the nature of drug use, which you seem to pidgeonhole into a tiny-little basket, when truly the term drug use is far too broad for any reasonable consideration. and yes i do realise that my educating myself does put me in a minority, i believe this attitude could be encouraged and supported.
i know this finished way off from where it started but hopefully it makes sense. i'll make sure i check this one more often from now so you don't have to read my tiresomely long posts in future.
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2003/05/05 : 02:56:14
My my. I haven't seen a post that long since, since, since a religious debate!!
I don't mean to put you or any other recreational drug user in a basket. I think "my" solution to "kill demand to kill supply" is more for the drug problem that exists, both from ravers and others (heh others  )
I'm not saying that you do or don't have a problem. I think that the problem could/should be addressed using my methodology.
But hey, your business is after all, your business. But you can have phunn with "travelcalm"!!
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pacman
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Posted - 2003/05/06 : 01:47:23
you still haven't identified "the problem", which i was trying to get off you in the first place.
what exactly IS 'the problem'?
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Posted - 2003/05/06 : 02:27:34
^^Drugs use.
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K-Hole
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Posted - 2003/05/06 : 02:45:43
i dont think its drug use that is the problem, i reckon the problem is the dealers, we could easily get rid of the dealers and sell drugs or alternatives with tax from 'happy' shops or something. drugs are used by a lot of people, and i remember hearing about these rooms where addicts of the harder drugs(crack, smack, coke) could shoot up, which will be good in a way, cos needles are disposed of and its not being done in the middle of your street. the problem is the dealers, the crime invovled around it and the fact that the drugs are illegal, i mean look at amsterdam, cannabis and shrooms are legalised and the crime rate is the lowest anywhere, meaning also that hard drug use is not high there either, so basicly i think that cannabis and maybe shrooms were legalised and taxed it could stop some of this bullsh!t.
what came first the sh!tty drugs or the sh!tty rave music!
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2003/05/06 : 03:45:11
The problem is drug abuse.
Not drug use. You see, I'm taking some drugs at the moment, for an ear infection. I do see them as different situations.
But using my methodolgy as a basis for a solution, then the problem can be solved
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rezzna
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Posted - 2003/05/06 : 13:38:55
the problem with the current war on drugs is that police are spending far too much time arresting users for possession, not arresting the dealers and everyone else. that is why the problem is so bad. i find drugs most enjoyable, and they make my life a happier and more interesting one (and dont say i can have just as happy a life without them, as i cant) but me getting arrested wont stop me from taking drugs when its safe to the same as a driver getting a ticket for speeding wont stop speeding when they think its safe to. hope that made sense. only way to stop drugs would be to make the country an almost police sate, mmandatory drug tests for everyone, cctv in all public places covering every angle, police on every road everywhere all the time and full thorough checks of everything that gets imported into this island.
but of course me and my friends smokin a joint an munchin a cupple of pills deserves as much attention as the bloke getting bottled in a pub just up the road, and the bloke battering his wife in her home doesnt it
and sorry if ive said anything stupid with regards to the rest of this thread it was far too long to read it fully
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pacman
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Posted - 2003/05/06 : 22:55:59
quote:
Originally posted by ryg0r:
The problem is drug abuse.
Not drug use. You see, I'm taking some drugs at the moment, for an ear infection. I do see them as different situations.
But using my methodolgy as a basis for a solution, then the problem can be solved
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i'm glad you could make that distinction between use and abuse, however both use and abuse transcend the boundaries of 'legal' and 'illegal' drugs. there are safe ways to use illegal drugs. there are certainly ways to abuse legal (incl pharmaceutical) drugs. i agree that drug abuse is a problem, i think that drug use is not a 'problem'.
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Posted - 2003/05/07 : 10:21:14
Just for the record, not very many Buddhist monks claim to be enlightened. Probably less then 1% of them will reach true Nirvana during their lifetime, and as for the rest of us the chances are even more slim. Anyone who believes they can reach ultimate enlightenment through drugs is wrong...certain types of self-discovery and unorthodox thinking, yes, but not the type of enlightment that some Buddhist monks achieve.
R@viNg LoOnAtic, try using real scientific research and statistics instead of just making $hit up. Whoever told you drugs are the "number 1 killer" was just pushing propaganda or a complete and total moron (probably both). I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just telling you that you truly are completely mislead and should actually think before you start saying stuff that is all blatant lies. Listen, I know people who have overdosed on heroin and countless others that have ruined their lives by becoming dependent on substances. This is exactly why you should realize that the current dealings with these problems simply do not work.
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Posted - 2003/05/07 : 13:41:42
you will never solve the problem with drugs, drugs has become part of the culture with in the hardcore scene, if people want to do drugs that is up to them they r the ones who r killing themselves.
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